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both are on legs and I have a 12x14 which is a stand mounted floor tom, yes there is a huge tonal difference between a floor tom with legs and one without and there is a significant lower end tone that you cannot get from a 12x14 verses a 14x14 floor tom.
You can come close with dropping the tension of the bottom head on a 12x14 but not quite enough, if you have the oportunity I suggest sitting them side to side and trying for yourself.
I have the basket RIMS setup on my Gretsch 16x16, it's ok, I hate the legs on it and it's also a pain putting the drum in a case due to how the basket fits around the drum.
I have no trouble positioning them once the stand is in place and yeah, Yamaha hardware is the best out there. (they need to knurl their cymbal arms though)
I do however find it a HUGE pain in the ass to move the entire 3 hole stand if I need to. It took me years to figure this out. (I'm slow) seriously, I'll never buy a hanging floors kit again.
The RIMS I refer to are the real RIMS mounts, not yamaha's YESS mounts. I do use and love the YESS mounts on all my Yamaha drums. I use RIMS on my Gretsch and got the baskets to avoid hanging the toms; unfortunately, the RIMS floor tom baskets suck complete and total ass....
I'd love to get a black sparkle burst Noveau. At some point I'll get another kit I guess. [img]eek.gif[/img]
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You might consider putting die-cast hoops on the toms (a la Gretsch). I haven't done it yet, but when I have some scratch saved up, I'm gonna do it fo sho!Quote:
Originally posted by WecklsMechanic:
Well.. I did it. I ordered 8,10,12,13, (std depths) & 14,15,16 Toms (in power sizes) and a 22x18 and a 20x18 B.D.(for Bebop stuff) All in the Maple Absolute Neuveaux in Cherry Wine.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ March 02, 2005 03:59 PM: Message edited by: drumming sort of person ]</font>
Yamaha new Absolute and Absolute Nouveau drums have die-cast hoops.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I realize that now, but how do they compare to the Gretsch rims? It seems the aluminum are very light, but I think that heavier rims add mass to the drums which in turn adds a certain timbre to the drum. Thoughts?Quote:
Originally posted by trommari:
Yamaha new Absolute and Absolute Nouveau drums have die-cast hoops.
Trommari: A comparison of Yamaha's aluminum die cast hoops and Gretsch's die cast is almost impossible. Yes, the Yamaha hoop is very light. It offers strenght and roundness (more than you can say about many Gretsch hoops), plus you can clock it with a rimshot and it's not going to sound so boxy. Gretsch die cast sound fine on toms but, on snare, well, they're an acquired taste.
And that's not even getting into Gretsch'horrible quality control on their American drums. Such high falutin' talk and airy reputation; down on the ground, it's pretty dismal, unless you're lucky. Better off to buy Asian Gretsch. Sound will be a little different, but at least the hoops will be better, hopefully, and the shells round, the lugs firmly attached, the spurs on properly, etc etc
WB
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does anyone know if it's possible to buy the Yamaha die-cast hoops separately?Quote:
Originally posted by Willy Brown:
Yes, the Yamaha hoop is very light. It offers strenght and roundness (more than you can say about many Gretsch hoops), plus you can clock it with a rimshot and it's not going to sound so boxy.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'd go with "Maple Absolute" toms, and "Maple Custom" kick and snare if you're willing to wait for a custom order (as I understand it, "Maple Customs" are only made to order now). You want punch, get the "Maple Custom" kick.Quote:
Originally posted by WecklsMechanic:
Thanks guys for all the posts. I think you codified my beliefs, it looks like the Beech Absolute bass drum might be worthwhile looking into, but it sounds like I'll probably do the Maple Absolute toms in combination. Originally I was thinking Birch Absolute Toms and a Maple Absolute kick, but if Daniel is right, maybe the Beech kick has a little more low end power and "thud" to it??
John